Their "70 Weeks" Exposed - Source Book

Their "70 Weeks" Exposed

Daniel 9:24-27    

SECTION 1    A Traditional Jewish Translation & Commentary

24. Seventy weeks are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, to end sin, to atone for iniquity, to bring in eternal righteousness, to seal vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.

25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince, shall be 7 weeks; and for 60 and 2 weeks, it will be built again, with street and moat, but in troubled times.

26. And after the 60 and 2 weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and have nothing; and the people of a prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the Sanctuary; and its end will be with a flood. Until the end of a war desolations are decreed.

27. And he will make a firm covenant with many for 1 week; and for half of the week he will abolish sacrifice and offering;...

To understand a passage one must always study it in context. In the beginning of Daniel chapter  9, we find:

Daniel 9:2

In the 1st year of Darius' reign, I, Daniel, considered in the Books the number of years about which the word of the
L-rd came to Jeremiah the Prophet which must pass before the end of the ruins of Jerusalem, namely 70 years.

Daniel was living in Babylon after its army destroyed Jerusalem and the 1st Temple in 422 B.C.E.:

II Kings 25:21

...so Judah was carried away out of his land.

Daniel was considering the prophecy:

Jeremiah 29:10

For thus says the L-rd: When 70 years are finished for Babylon I will remember you, and fulfill for you My promise to bring you back to this place.

In Daniel 9:3-20, Daniel prays for the Jewish people, praising G-d, and imploring Him to end the exile, and build the Temple and Jerusalem. He concludes:

Daniel 9:21-23

While I was speaking in prayer the man Gabriel [angel] whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He made me understand, and talked with me and said: 'O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you wisdom and understanding. At the beginning of your supplications a word went forth, and I have come to tell it to you, for you are greatly beloved, therefore, consider the word, and understand the vision'

The angel then explained the major events that would occur during the first 490 years after the destruction of the 1st Temple, and Jeremiah's prophecy that it and Jerusalem would be rebuilt (30:18 below):

Daniel 9:24

Seventy weeks are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city,...

A "week" is a 7 year period:

Leviticus 25:8

And you shall number 7 weeks of years, 7 times 7 years, and there shall be to you the days of 7 weeks of years, even 49 years.

Therefore, "70 weeks" equals 490 years.

Daniel 9:24

...to finish the transgression, to end sin, and to atone for iniquity, and to bring in eternal righteousness,...

The purpose of this continuous 490 year trial period was to give the Jewish people a chance to prove their loyalty to G-d, and His Torah by repenting properly. Had they done so, then AFTER it ended in 70 C.E. the Messiah would have ushered in the Messianic Era, and these blissful promises would have been fulfilled. Instead, the 2nd Temple was destroyed, and they were again exiled.

Daniel 9:24

...and to seal vision and prophet,...

During this 490 year period vision and prophecy ceased with the Prophet Malachi.

Daniel 9:24

...and to anoint the Holy of Holies.

This was the building of the 2nd Temple.

Daniel 9:25

...to restore and to build Jerusalem...

To build (Livnot) - manual labor:
1 Kings 5:9  And I purpose to build a house... (Livnot).

To restore (L'hashiv) - To bring back:
Jeremiah 29:10  ...When 70 years are finished for Babylon I will remember you and fulfill for you My promise to bring you back to this place. (L'hashiv).
Jerusalem will first be repopulated, and then they will build it.

Daniel 9:25

...until an anointed one, a prince, shall be 7 weeks;...

Seven weeks of years after the destruction of the 1st Temple, Cyrus, this anointed prince appeared, just as Isaiah the Prophet had foretold some 200 years before:

Isaiah 45:1, 13

Thus says the L-rd to His anointed, to Cyrus...I have aroused Cyrus in righteousness, and I will straighten all his ways, HE SHALL BUILD MY CITY and set MY EXILES FREE neither for price nor for reward says the L-rd of hosts.

This promise was repeated much later:

Jeremiah 30:18

Thus says the L-rd: Behold, I will restore the captivity of Jacob's tents and have compassion on his dwellings, and the CITY SHALL BE REBUILT upon its mound, and the PALACE shall stand on its proper place.

And so it was, Cyrus fulfilled the word of G-d through His Prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah. He permitted the Jewish people to return to Jerusalem to rebuild it and the Temple:

Ezra 1:1, 3

Now in the 1st year of Cyrus, king of Persia, in order that the word of the L-rd by the MOUTH OF JEREMIAH might be accomplished the L-rd stirred up the spirit of Cyrus, king of Persia to make a proclamation...Whoever there is among you of all His people his G-d be with him, let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the House of the
L-rd, the G-d of Israel, He is the G-d Who is in Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25

...and for 60 and 2 weeks, it shall be built again, with street and moat, but in troubled times.

This is the only contemporary record as to when the rebuilding of Jerusalem was completed. Our enemies were a constant source of delay. In fact, their incitement resulted in a king called Artaxerxes stopping all construction work for years! (see Appendix):

Ezra 4:21, 23

Now issue a decree halting these people, this CITY shall not be built until a decree shall be issued by me...Then, when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read...they went up in haste to Jerusalem to the Jews and made them to cease by force and power.

Daniel 9:26

And after the 60 and 2 weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and have nothing;...

This 2nd "anointed one" was King Agrippa II of Judah. During the war his Jewish subjects dethroned him, and he fled to the Roman side.

Daniel 9:26

...and the people of a prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the Sanctuary;...

Jerusalem, and the 2nd Temple were destroyed by the Roman army originally led by General Vespasian. When he became the Roman emperor, his son Titus, the new crown prince, took over the command. Thus, he is the 3rd prince of Daniel.

Daniel 9:26

...and its end will be with a flood. Until the end of a war desolations are decreed.

Jerusalem's end was like a flood. Compare:

Nahum 1:8

But with an overrunning flood, He will make a full end of its place...

Daniel 9:27

And he will make a firm covenant with many for 1 week; and for half of the week he will abolish sacrifice and offering;...

Titus made a peace agreement with the Jewish leaders. However, he broke this covenant after the 1st half week (3.5 years)112 and prohibited sacrifices.113

Since Jesus died about 33 C.E. (5 weeks of years) before the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in 70 C.E., as spoken of in Daniel 9:26, he could not have been any one of these 3 individuals.

THEIR "70 WEEKS" EXPOSED

SECTION 2   Refutation of Missionary Translation, Interpretations, and Calculations

[ONLY NON-JEWISH historical dates the same which missionaries accept are quoted in Section 2. At the end of the 1st Temple era they were 164 years EARLIER than traditional Jewish chronology. The latter B.C.E. dates are:  The 1st Temple was destroyed in 422,  Cyrus' decree was in 370,  Artaxerxes' decree to Ezra was in 348,  Artaxerxes' decree to Nehemiah was in 335.]
The idea that Jesus was being foretold in our passage under discussion was a later thought. The writers of the New Testament did not claim that he was. This is very telling because anything that could have even remotely been referring to Jesus was quoted as definitely speaking of him. Nevertheless, missionaries were determined to lessen the impact its omission has upon people.
They did so, by saying "...from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem..." was foretelling Artaxerxes' decree which was issued in 458, 457, 445, or 444 B.C.E. And it was from then that the 70 weeks of years began. In contrast, we have shown in Section 1, that this was a confirmation that the 490 years began when Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem and the Temple would be rebuilt. It was said when they were destroyed in 586 B.C.E.
Because this proclamation was made about 620 years before Jesus died, far beyond the 490 year timeline, missionaries ignore it.
They also claim that Cyrus could not be the 1st anointed because his decree only mentioned the Temple, thus he did not build the city. But their assertion contradicts G-d's word through His Prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah. (see Section 1).
Josephus, the 1st Century historian, also confirmed that the city was included in the decree of Cyrus. He quoted the letter that Cyrus wrote to the governors of Syria:
"I have given leave to as many of the Jews that dwell in my country as please to return to their own country, and to rebuild their CITY, and to build the Temple of G-d in Jerusalem, on the same place where it was before." (Antiquities Book 11, Chapter 1, Section 3).

Historically, it is UNKNOWN when Artaxerxes' reign began...465 or 464 B.C.E. (For a variety of opinions Google - Artaxerxes 465   then afterwards   Artaxerxes 464). Hence, his 7th year decree to Ezra was in 458 or 457 B.C.E., and his 20th year decree to Nehemiah was in 445 or 444 B.C.E.

THEIR TRANSLATION

DANIEL  9:25 -26

Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and to build Jerusalem unto
the Messiah the Prince shall be 7 weeks, and 60 and 2 weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troubled times. And after 60 and 2 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;...

a. This is the present day Kings James translation, the most popular Bible among missionaries. The comma after 7 weeks, and a colon after 60 and 2 weeks is just what they asked for - literally! Very tellingly, these punctuation marks are different from the ones found in their original 1611 C.E. Bible. There, the 70 weeks are divided into 3 separate weeks of years 7, 62 and 1, duplicating the traditional Jewish version:
...unto the Messiah the Prince shall be 7 weeks; and 60 and 2 weeks, the street shall be built again,...

b. Missionaries claim that the "7 weeks" (49 years) are separated from the "62 weeks" because that was how long it took to build either the Temple, wall, or city. This is not true. The Temple was built over a 20 year period (Ezra 3:8 -10, 6:15) 536 - 516 B.C.E. This was years before the reign of Artaxerxes even began (465 or 464 B.C.E.)! The wall was completed in 52 days (Nehemiah 6:15). Neither the Hebrew Bible, historical records nor their translation of Daniel has Jerusalem being rebuilt in 49 years. (see Section 1).

Other missionaries claim that there is no separation, just one period of 69 weeks, plus the 70th week. But this also cannot be. In the Hebrew Bible sum totals are written only with their own numbers, 69 would be 60 and 9, or 9 and 60. Compare Genesis 5:27 and Ezra 2:4-5 in the Hebrew.

c. The reference to the street and "wall" only symbolized the larger work of building the city. It is not a criteria per se in determining the real decree. Missionaries, however claim a prophetic connection between this "wall" and the wall Artaxerxes permitted Nehemiah to build in Jerusalem in 445 or 444 B.C.E. (Nehemiah 2:8). Thus, identifying one of these years as starting the 490 years.

But the two Hebrew words, both which they translate as wall are different. "Chomah" in Nehemiah literally means wall. Daniel's "charuts" literally means to cut in, or dig. It is primarily translated as trench or moat. Also, if their "wall" is a signal pointing to the real decree, then the street must also be, yet none of the Persian decrees mentions it.

d. The Hebrew word mashiach appears in the Hebrew Bible 39 times. The traditional Jewish translation for each of them is anointed or anointed one. The King James version is in agreement 37 times. Curiously, ONLY in Daniel 9:25-26 do they have Messiah!

e. In the Hebrew text, the definite article "the" represented by the letter hey before "mashiach" and before "Prince" does not exist. The insertion of them was to give the impression that the one and distinct Redeemer was being referred to. Compare this verse with Leviticus 4:5 in the Hebrew. There, the letter hey which is written ha, does appear twice: ha-kohen ha-mashiach. Literally: The Priest the mashiach. The translation of which is: The anointed one, the Priest shall take the blood of the bullock...

f. Conversely, "the" does appear before the second 60 and 2 weeks: "And after the 60 and 2 weeks shall..." but to conceal that our passage is foretelling 3 periods of time, 7, 62, and 1 week of years, it was omitted. This was done to make 7 and 62 appear as a single time period of 69 weeks of years ( 69 x 7 ) = 483 years. This was the amount of time that is suppose to have elapsed from when Artaxerxes issued his decree until Jesus the "Messiah" died and was "cut off". However, if this was correct, it would have said:  And after the 69 weeks shall mashiach be cut off,...

g. "will be cut off"  Whether this was a spiritual, or physical punishment, it is revealing that Jesus who is suppose to be sinless is said to have been a recipient of it!:
Numbers 15:30  But the person who does anything DEFIANTLY...will be cut off from among his people.

h. "but not for himself" is wrong. "ve'ein " means - and have nothing. Compare:
Proverbs 13:7  There is one who pretends to be rich and has nothing. (ve'ein).

ARTAXERXES' 20th YEAR DECREE......NEHEMIAH CHAPTER 2

We saw in Section 1 that it was the decree of King Cyrus that was to be issued after the first 7 weeks of years. He did so in the year 538 B.C.E. However, this date was too early to be the starting point for Jesus to be the Messiah after their 483 years ended. This time period would have elapsed before he was even born. Therefore, the later decree of Artaxerxes in 445 or 444 B.C.E. had to be chosen instead. It authorized Nehemiah to be supervisor over building the walls of Jerusalem. This took place:

Nehemiah 2:1  ...IN THE MONTH OF NISAN IN THE 20th YEAR OF ARTAXERXES...

a. The day is lost. It is not written in the Hebrew Scriptures. We don't have a Jewish tradition about it, nor is there a general rule to follow when a date is not given. Missionaries, however need their calculations to begin from the 1st day of Nisan, so that they will end on their desired day. Therefore, they say that when the day is missing, it is the Jewish custom to declare that it was the 1st day of the stated month. Usually, they don't cite a source of reference. This is because there is NONE. If one is quoted, research it to see if it exists and if so, what it actually does say.

b. The fact that the day is missing is very revealing because missionaries calculate their 483 years from the day the decree was issued to Palm Sunday. If their interpretation of Daniel 9 is correct, then the day would have been written.

c. Their 483 years (69 x 7) from 445 and 444 B.C.E. arrived at 39 and 40 C.E. respectively. This was years too late for Jesus to have died in. Usually, they don't tell you this because it would be obvious that their additional math steps were needed only to end at an earlier year.

They hide their real end years of 39 and 40 C.E. by employing a triple digit multiplication of 69 x 7 x 360 = 173,880 days. They claim that there was a 360 day "prophetic" or calendar year during the Hebrew Bible era, even though it is not known in the Jewish religion. (see Appendix).

Their 173,880 days were then divided by 365.2422; the number of days in a solar year. This reduced their 483 years by 7 years to 476, and their original 39 and 40 C.E. end years became 32 and 33 C.E. respectively.

d. Much has been written about their dubious methodology, including the use of both the Julian, and Gregorian calendars. But suffice it to say that their 173,880 days did not terminate on the day Jesus was crucified and "cut off", but several days earlier, on Palm Sunday. Hence, their Plan B was put into effect: Palm Sunday ended their 69 weeks of years, and time stopped until their 70th week will begin when Jesus "returns".

e. All of their moves are futile. It is NOT KNOWN when Jesus died! Therefore, we can't know if their computations even ended at the correct year. So why study and publicize them? It is unknown because his crucifixion was only one of thousands, and it was not the monumental event that they want you to believe.
Josephus describes how common it actually was: "So great was their multitude, that space could not be found for the crosses, nor crosses for their bodies." (Wars, Book 5, Chapter 11, Section 1).

Dating New Testament events with true accuracy is not possible. Its information is too scant and vague. Outside sources are also not definitive. Therefore, scholars can only state that:

Jesus was born between 6 and 4 B.C.E.        And died between 29 and 36 C.E.

He died on a Wednesday or Friday.        The 14th or 15th of Nisan.

Jesus was baptized / ministry began between 26 and 29 C.E.        It lasted 1 to 3 years.

ARTAXERXES' 7th YEAR DECREE.....EZRA CHAPTER 7

With all the UNKNOWNS surrounding Artaxerxes and Jesus, one can also see the recklessness in these other missionary 70 weeks of years computations. They claim, WITHOUT Scriptural evidence, that Artaxerxes' decree was issued:

Ezra 7:7 ...IN THE 7th YEAR OF ARTAXERXES THE KING...and that it was from then that the 70 weeks of years began. But, Scripture ONLY says that in this year, Ezra and his group left Babylon and arrived in Jerusalem (Ezra 7:7-9).

The Hebrew Bible introduces this decree by stating:
Ezra 7:1, 6 Now after these things, in the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia,...Ezra went up from Babylon;...and the king granted him all he requested,...

But if this decree really started the 490 year timeline directly to Jesus from 458 or 457 B.C.E., then Scripture would have written...in the 7th year of... instead of the vague "in the reign of." Also, why aren't we told when and what "these things" were? (See Appendix). Or what occurred from when the decree was announced and Ezra's departure to Jerusalem? Omissions that could have dated this decree.

Missionaries do not have an explanation for this blanket of silence at the exact point where they would expect the Hebrew Bible to be explicit. Therefore, they can only say that his decree did not go into effect when it was signed, but:
a. On THE DAY Ezra left Babylon for Jerusalem in 458 B.C.E. OR:
b. Two months AFTER he arrived there in 457 B.C.E. Six months from the day Ezra, and his group left Babylon!

Neither one can be correct, because there were parts of the decree that had to be done BEFORE the group could leave:
1. The decree said that any Jew who volunteered would be allowed to depart with the group (Ezra 7:13).
1,496 men besides the women and children accepted the offer (Ezra 8:1-14).

2. The silver and gold that the king "freely offered to the G-d of Israel" were to be taken with them (Ezra 7:15).

3. They were also ordered to gather and bring with them the silver, gold, and free-will offerings donated by the general population (Ezra 7:16).

From what had to be done to satisfy the king, plus the planning and preparation for caring for this large group of people travelling 4 months must have taken a considerable amount of time. How long is UNKNOWN.

The Jews and Persian officials who were ruling in Jerusalem needed to be informed of the decree quickly so that they could fulfill the king's wishes in the finest way, even before the group arrived. For instance, the decree specified that individuals working in the Temple be exempt from paying taxes (Ezra 7:24).
The king of the vast Babylonian empire was not dependant upon Ezra to deliver his decree to them, he had a fast and efficient communication network in place. The Book of Esther which also chronicles the Jews exiled in Babylon informs us about it:

Esther 8:14  So the posts that rode on swift horses that were used in the king's service went out being hastened and pressed on by the king's decree...

Esther 9:30  And he sent letters to all the Jews, to 127 provinces of the kingdom of Ahasuerus,...

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1st month - Nisan  (March/April) *** 5th month - Av  (July/August) *** 7th month - Tishrei  (September/October)

The Jewish year changes to the next in Tishrei, but it was never counted as the 1st calendar month, nor did its place as the 7th month ever change. Without exception, in the Hebrew Bible, the 1st month is ALWAYS Nisan:

Esther 3:7  ...the 1st month which is the month Nisan.

Exodus 12:2  ...It (Passover month) shall be the 1st month of the year to you.

Passover, the holiday during which Jesus died always is in Nisan.

Leviticus 23:5  The L-rd's Passover begins at twilight on the 14th day of the 1st month.

Ezra 6:19  And the children of the exile kept the Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month.

At this point, we confidently state that since Ezra left for Jerusalem with the decree in his possession "on the 1st day of the 1st month"...in the 7th year of the king (Ezra 7:8-11), and there was much to do after it was issued until their departure date, the decree was signed during the prior year, or even earlier.

THEIR 457 B.C.E. CALCULATION

Their journey lasted exactly 4 months. From the 1st of Nisan to the 1st of Av "...And he came to Jerusalem in the 5th month which was in the 7th year of the king" (Ezra 7:8-9). Their civil dates were from March 26 to July 23, 457 B.C.E. They arrived in the SUMMER.
Missionaries agree with these dates, but they say that the decree only went into effect after ANOTHER 2 months, in the Autumn / Fall of 457 B.C.E.
This is because they must begin their 3.5 year ministry from Autumn / Fall 27 C.E. This enables them to end in Spring 31 C.E.
This was the season during which Jesus died. Their corresponding Hebrew calendar dates were from Tishrei 27 C.E., to Nisan 31 C.E.

Autumn / Fall____457 B.C.E______Two months after Ezra arrived in Jerusalem, the decree went into effect.

PLUS__________483 years______(69 weeks of years.....69 x 7).

Autumn / Fall_____27 C.E________When Jesus was baptized and began his ministry.

PLUS___________3.5 years______The length of time his ministry lasted.

Spring__________31 C.E_________When he died and was "cut off ".

This calculation has Jesus dying on a Wednesday. The dates in their other calculation are 458 - 29 - 33. It has Jesus being crucified on a Friday. Missionaries are only concerned that their end year falls within the range of years during which Jesus died. The events described in Daniel 9:26-27, the 70th week, are ignored or assigned to a future date. The numbers are quoted as if they are solid historical dates, when in fact, they are hotly debated, not only by the leading world authorites, but by the missionaries themselves! (see Appendix).

Their calculations have Jesus being crucified years AFTER their 483 years elapsed, in the 70th week. This extended time period overlaps Daniel 9:26, which speaks about another person, "a prince who shall come". With the absence of the Hebrew letter hey (the) as a prefix, this is the correct translation. Therefore, this prince can not be conclusively identified with the prince in verse 9:25.

All of their computations have a 3.5 year ministry, but this is too long. Matthew 26-27, Mark 14-15, and Luke 22-23 in detailing Jesus' public life after his baptism refer to only 1 Passover, and that he died within 1 day of it. Thus, his ministry was not longer than 1 full year. John 19 agrees that this is when Jesus was crucified, but he also has 2 earlier Passovers during his ministry (John 2 and 6). So, according to him, Jesus' ministry lasted a maximum of  3 complete years.

This decree permitted all Jews the right to accompany Ezra to Jerusalem, and ordered that magistrates and judges be appointed. It stated the penalties for disobeying the Laws of the Torah or the king. The rest of it was concerned with the already built House of G-d, the altar, and the people working therein (Ezra 7:13-26).

APPENDIX

The 2nd Temple was finished in the month of Adar in 516 B.C.E. during the 6th year of Darius (Ezra 6:15). In the month of Nisan in 458 or 457 B.C.E. during the 7th year of Artaxerxes, Ezra and his group returned to Jerusalem (Ezra 7:7-9). Therefore, the completion of the 2nd Temple by Darius was some 58 years BEFORE Artaxerxes' decree to Ezra. Consequently, missionaries must say that "after these things" (Ezra 7:1,6) is referring to an event 6 decades earlier!

In addition to this, Artaxerxes was a throne title by which each Persian king was called. Similar to the title Pharaoh. For these reasons among others, scholars are not united at identifying any given Artaxerxes in the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah.

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The number of days that each of our months have alternates between 29 and 30, starting with Nisan which has 30 days. Therefore, our year always had 354 days. To synchronize our calendar with the solar year of 365.2422 days, an extra month is added every 3rd year. During the Hebrew Bible era, the 1st day of the month began when the new moon was seen by witnesses:
2 Kings 4:23  It is neither new moon, nor Sabbath.
Isaiah 66:23  From new moon to new moon,...

Therefore, the sum of any consecutive 5 month period could not equal 150 days. However, the Hebrew Bible says that the flood rain fell for exactly 5 months. The 17th day of the 2nd month to the 17th day of the 7th month, 150 days (Genesis 7:11, 24; 8:4). It could have been that they had a 30 day month and a 360 day year. We don't know, because very often in Scripture numbers are not exact. They are rounded off to the nearest 10th or 100th, thus their last digits are either 0 or 00. The Book of Numbers has many of them. Hence, one should use caution before accepting a doctrine which is founded upon, or supported by one, or more of these numbers.

Missionaries claim that this was a 360 day yearly calendar, and that it was used throughout the Biblical era, justifying its insertion into their 70 weeks equation: 69 x 7 x 360 days = 173,880 days. They even quote New Testament verses which were written 500 years AFTER our Bible closed as "proof"!

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The following illustrates the hopelessness of arriving at an agreed to historical New Testament timeline:
Luke 3:1,2 has John the Baptist beginning his ministry "In the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar". But scholars disagree which year it started from:
a. When Tiberius began to co-reign with the emperor Augustus. This was in 11, 12, or 13 C.E. OR
b. When Tiberius became the sole emperor in 14 C.E.
Thus, John could have started his ministry in 26, 27, 28, or 29 C.E.

With all of this uncertainty, missionaries have the leeway of choosing the year during which John baptized Jesus, a pivotal point in their calculations.
Those who believe the decree was issued in 458 B.C.E. have it taking place in 29 C.E. This was years AFTER their 69 weeks (483 years) ended, in 26 C.E., which they say was the 1st year of John's ministry.
The 457 B.C.E. followers have Jesus being baptized in 27 C.E., which they say was the 1st year of John's ministry.

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One should logically conclude that their interpretations, and calculations have too many UNKNOWNS, and CONTRADICTIONS for any one of them to be considered seriously.

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